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January 30, 2008

Osteoporosis comment: wisdom or spam?

Filed under: Osteoporosis,Uncategorized — theotheri @ 2:12 pm

Someone has just added a comment to my November 6th post about osteoporisis suggesting that I check out her website which I did, and which turned out to be an advertisement for her book, The Bone Health Revolution.  It’s not available on Amazon or any other bookstore I can find, and the publisher is not identified.

Ordinarily I look at this kind of thing with weary cynicism, but this woman sounded so much like me that I ordered her book.

It is by Vivian Goldschmidt, a New York woman with an M.A. in nutrition and whose doctor urged her to start taking Fosamax.  Like meshe  started to do some research on the subject rather than plunge forward unheeded to follow the advice.  Much like me, she uncovered a lot of information that gave her pause, and, also like me, set out to find a natural cure for her thinning bones.

She says she’s found it and has written a book which she is selling for a few cents less than $30 (U.S.  currency).  I’ve ordered it.  Since it has to come to me here in England it may take some time to arrive, but when it’s here, I will read it and give you my assessment.

It will be interesting to compare her claimed route to success with mine.

To see additional posts on osteoporosis, click on “Select Category” in the right-hand column, and select Osteoporosis.

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20 Comments »

  1. thats for sure, bro

    Comment by Tracyjc — March 19, 2008 @ 2:46 pm | Reply

  2. Yes this sounds interesting. Anyone thinking about taking Actonel, Fosamax, or the others for bone health really should give pause and reconsider such a choice. There are just so many problems that if we can find other ways to avoid osteoporosis, I think we’re that much further ahead.

    Comment by gerilwalton — December 27, 2008 @ 9:16 pm | Reply

    • Thank you for your input. I personally am very glad at this point that I have taken the option that I have. But I do have two caveats. The first is that if my regular bone density test showed that my bones were continuing to deteriorate, I would rethink. Frankly, I don’t know what I would do, but I would have to consider that things were going in the wrong direction.

      My second reservation is that I have become aware since I have been on this “natural” regime, that it takes a certain amount of daily discipline, and not everybody is willing – or perhaps even able – to accept this. I take calcium and various other supplements to increase its absorption three times a day (because we can’t absorb more than 500 mg at any one time), and do 20-30 minutes of serious exercise at least five days a week. This regime is not draconian, but I am surprised by the number of people who’d rather put their faith in taking a pill.

      But for myself, if it works, I’ll keep it up for as long as I’m upright.

      Thank you again for your comment. The Other I

      Comment by theotheri — December 27, 2008 @ 9:42 pm | Reply

  3. By now, hopefully you will have read the book. I was diagnosed with this illness and am interested in whatever natural means I can take to stop or at least slow down the bone loss. If you have had a chance to read the books, I would be intersted in your thoughts on it.

    Thanks, lfuqua

    Comment by lfuqua — April 19, 2009 @ 11:43 pm | Reply

    • If you go to the right column on this website and click on the drop-down menu, one of the categories is “Osteoporosis” If you click on that, the posts on osteoporosis come up. Jan 31, May 30, and June 26 in 2008 are probably the most relevant.

      My guess for myself is that three things have made a difference – supplements, nutrition, and exercise.

      Specifically, I take 1400 mg calcium, divided into three sub-doses every day along with vitamin D which I am convinced is critical, especially for someone who does not get a lot of exposure to the sun. I also take a number of other supplements which I have read increases calcium absorption. I take that on faith, because I have no way of knowing for myself if they do.

      In relation to nutrition, I have generally aimed for a less acidic and more alkaline diet. Broadly, this means more fruit and vegetables and less protein. I have also reduced my caffeine and oxalic acid (mainly in peanuts, rhubarb and spinach) because they inhibit calcium absorption.

      Finally, I do take exercise seriously. Well, seriously for me, anyway. My non-negotiable minimum is 20 minutes a day, five days a week devoted specifically to circuit training – a combination of stretching, resistance training and aerobics.

      I don’t always find this regime easy, but it’s not a killer either. And so far it has met with success. I strongly suspect that there are a good number of other healthy side effects that also come with it as well.

      I hope you find this helpful. And wish you the best in fighting this most modern of our challenges.

      Comment by theotheri — April 20, 2009 @ 2:26 pm | Reply

  4. why rely on keeping the pharmicutical industry in business when nature and a sensible diet provide all we need to maintain rude health ?

    Comment by lairdglencairn — February 1, 2011 @ 9:04 am | Reply

    • Sounds to me as if we are pretty much on the same page. I’m not wholesale against modern medicine, but it does seem to me an awful lot of people think doctors can solve all their problems with a pill and don’t seem to think that taking responsibility might be rather important. Mostly, I treat scientific health recommendations as intelligent hypotheses that may or may not last the test of time, and in any case might or might not work with my particular bio-chemistry. My approach is what might be described as hopeful scepticism.

      Comment by theotheri — February 1, 2011 @ 12:05 pm | Reply

  5. Everyone on this post is correct, in my opinion. In fact, there is a new book I found on Amazon, Osteogenic Loading: A New Modality To Facilitate Bone Density Development, that takes the research and application an important further step you will find very interesting. Chapter 9 of the US Surgeon General’s Report agrees with Ms Goldschmidt and all of you (proper nutrition, calcium supplements, and regular exercise are needed), with one VERY IMPORTANT addition – the report also recommends IMPACT LOADING (loads equivalent to multiples of body weight) on the musculo-skeletal system to trigger the body’s natural adaptive response. This has been widely-known to the medical profession for decades, but until recently, difficult (impossible) to safely accomplish – particularly for people with already compromised bone condition. The book led me to a US-based, patented system, recently available in the UK, but currently only being offered in only one open-to-the-public venue I could find – a physio-therapy and wellness clinic in Central London. See http://www.biodensity.com. No drugs, no age limitations, all self-induced force output so you never become uncomfortable, no need to change clothes. Pain-free, I feel stronger and more energetic. It takes about 10 minutes, once-a-week, and it seems to be the “4th leg of the chair” for me and many others. You see progress and, actually, it’s a little bit fun, too.

    Comment by expat — June 16, 2012 @ 3:43 pm | Reply

    • Thank you for this informative comment. I visited http://www.biodensity.com and see that they have a good number of clinics both in England and throughout the U.S. Like you, I’m sure they are on to something. Researchers looking for exercises for astronauts while they are in outer space to help reduce bone density loss perscribe something as simple as standing on one’s toes and then impacting one’s heels back down. As you suggest, this might be a little too much for someone already suffering from severe bone loss. The exercises that seem to be involved at Biodensity remind me of the weight and strength exercises that are done very very slowly until one simply cannot achieve anything more. This, too, seems to take about five minutes. Their whole regime is reduced to half an hour a week covering all the muscles. It too seems to be particularly effective for the elderly. I’ve tried it at home and am convinced.

      Again, thank you for your comment. As you guessed, I really learned something.

      Comment by theotheri — June 17, 2012 @ 2:37 pm | Reply

  6. All these recommendations are great and I am still reading about the side affects BUT is covered by ins. Can I purchase the book and send the bill to my ins. People seen to think money grows on trees. It doesn’t and for a person on a fixed income paying for a book and following the recommendations is easier said than done. What about the people who can’t afford to purchase the books.

    Comment by Liza Leonard — October 27, 2012 @ 6:05 pm | Reply

    • I know what you mean about costs. As you can see from my posts, I felt that Goldschmidt’s book was overpriced as an e-book. I do not know if it’s purchase would be covered by your insurance, which is one reason why I have tried in my own posts to provide as much information about what seems to work as possible. (Click on the category tab on the right of my website, and then click on osteoporosis to see all the posts and comments on this topic.) The three most important variables I think are 1) exercise, 2) calcium & vitamin D supplements, and 3) a less acidic diet. In terms of exercise, something as simple as 30 minutes brisk walk a day will do it, although if conditions do not permit that, 30 minutes indoors of strength, flexibility, and aerobic exercises are excellent. For Calcium supplements, it is important not to take more than 500 mg at a time because that is the maximum that can be absorbed at any given time, and excess may settle in as kidney stones or cause other trouble. I can one calcium/magnesium tablet three times a day along with vitamin D. In terms of diet, I avoid over-dosing on caffeine and also on oxalic acid which is present in peanut butter & spinach, to name two major sources.

      I wish you the best. And if you learn anything more, please do leave another comment. We are all in this together!
      Terry

      Comment by theotheri — October 27, 2012 @ 8:16 pm | Reply

  7. I am wholesale against medicine. Period. The cortisone steroid injections forced upon me by physicians may have been what gave me osteoporosis in the first place. The propaganda from the dairy industry did not help my mother with strong bones and did not help me either, despite consuming more than adequate amounts of calcium in dairy –a quart of milk or a large container of yogurt per day.. More is needed than calcium.

    I’m now eating collard greens and as a result am getting more bone building nutrients especially when cooked with miso than I did from dairy. Plus, getting vitamin D from the sun and from sock -eye salmon oil. Getting vitamin K1 and K2. No one told me about K2, the physicians only know what the pharmaceutical industry tells them. Most know nothing about nutrition.

    Doing pilates for bone amassing exercises, and as soon as my fractured spine gets stronger, hope to do more walking as well.

    There has been too much disinformation from the FDA and the biotechnology industry and I don’t trust them for their new toxic food or toxic drugs. Research I’ve gathered has told me to use common sense and protect my body.

    Comment by Becca Snow (@snowsbunny) — February 5, 2013 @ 9:00 pm | Reply

    • Thank you for your comment. I have been aware that the calcium in dairy products is generally not absorbed well, and am surprised still to see so many recommendations for them as a source of calcium. And exercise is immensely important for bone health.

      However, although I did not follow the advice or more than one doctor to take bi-phosphonates for my osteoporosis, unlike you, I am not wholesale against medicine. Doctors and medical researchers, like the rest of the human race, don’t know everything. They make mistakes. They misinterpret research, or the research they are acquainted with is faulty or incomplete. But although I am not among those who think that modern medicine can work miracles or never makes mistakes – even very big mistakes sometimes – I myself am also away of some incredible things that modern medicine has accomplished, and ways it has improved the lives of many.

      Which is not to say I spend much time in doctors’ offices! Like you, I prefer to try to change my own life style, especially through nutrition and exercise, than go the medical route. I wish you the very best in this choice.

      Comment by theotheri — February 6, 2013 @ 2:11 pm | Reply

  8. My Rheumatologist prescribed Prolia injections (1 every 6 months). TV commercials state serious side effects from this product and unfortunately I can attest to their authenticity. About 5 weeks after getting first injection I developed SEVERE abdominal pains, spent 4 days in hospital. Within 2 weeks of finishing antibiotics developed the same symptoms. I wound up in the ER 2 more times. I told the doctor I would not take these injections any more and was told I MUST do something as I am in danger of breaking a hip. I have been taking calcium, vitamin D, vitamin K2 and am very active but still not getting good results on my bone density scans. Don’t know what to do — listen to my doctor or listen to my inner self saying these medications do not agree with your body. Forgot to mention I have also been on Fosomax and Actonel but stopped due to side effects which were not as severe as the Prolia side effects.

    Comment by Lynn Aigotti — May 20, 2013 @ 2:27 pm | Reply

    • You have all of my sympathy and understanding. Before my last bone density test, I wondered what I was going to do if my density had continued to drop precipitously. The evidence does seem to suggest that sometimes the “cure” is worse than the problem it is supposed to address.

      Have you tried reducing caffeine and emphasizing an alkaline diet along with the supplements you are taking? I think it’s also important to take the calcium supplements in small doses, maybe as many as 3 times a day, because we can’t absorb more than 500 units of calcium at any one time. And research suggests that one can take a good deal more vit D on a daily basis than is usually recommended.

      I also read that astronauts are taught to lift themselves up on their toes and then drop down on their heels as a significant impact exercise to help them keep their bone density high. I do about 50 “drops” twice a day.

      I’m not saying any of this might help. Not all of us are alike, and it sounds as if you have been very serious in addressing your osteoporosis. I wish you the very best.

      And thank you most of all for sharing your experiences, especially with Prolia and Foxomax, etc. Please do let us know if you learn anything more, or hit on anything else that is effective. We’re all in this together!

      Comment by theotheri — May 20, 2013 @ 8:32 pm | Reply

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  11. Something I have recently learned is how critical vitamin K2 is. It is different than the vitamin K you get in greens. While calcium and vitamin D are important for bone health, K2 helps get the calcium into our bones. For an excellent look at how K2 works in our bodies, I recommend the book by Kate Rheaume-Bleue, B.Sc., N.D. “Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox” I leaned a lot by Google searching K2 too. I get my K2 from Nutrigold. Good company….worth checking them out. Best of luck to all of you.

    Comment by Janis — March 26, 2014 @ 5:08 pm | Reply

    • Thank you for this. I agree that it’s not only vital to get enough calcium so that it’s not leached out of our bones, but it’s also important to do everything we can to make sure the calcium is absorbed and not stored in what eventually develop as gall stones. Along with Vitamin K2 (not K1 or K3), magnesium, vitamin D3, boron, copper, and zinc help increase absorption. Oh, and it’s also unlikely that more than 500 mg calcium at one time will not be absorbed. I split my calcium intake between breakfast, dinner, and bedtime. As you probably know, it’s during the night when our bones are most apt to be leached of calcium to keep our blood at the appropriate ph.

      Thank you also for the reference to Rheaume-Bleue’s book. It’s worth staying on top of these things. I get my vitamins from HealthSpan, whose products I mostly prefer to Nutrigold. But the most important thing is to get the appropriate supplements and to eat the right foods and get enough exercise — however one does it, isn’t it?

      Thank you again for your helpful comment.

      Comment by theotheri — March 27, 2014 @ 3:59 pm | Reply


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